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Workshop Content Banned what the....?

Discussion in 'General' started by Spets, Oct 24, 2014.

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  1. Spets

    Spets Master Engineer

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    <h2>Dear spetys, </h2> Your Steam Workshop item Bastard has been banned because it violates the Steam Terms of Service. The item is now only visible to you.
    You will be unable to publish any user generated content for 24 hours


    wait, Bastard is a bad word or something? what is going on?

    and btw, this is Bastard, a little driller ship I made in survival Red Crashed Ship a while ago.

    it probably is because it is so ugly and poor made that violates all the rules

    [​IMG]

    NOTE: is not a big deal or something like that, I was just curious.
    The name was taken from an old japanese anime or mature cartoon?
     
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  2. Willemina

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    It's a pejorative derived from its use as a legal definition of a child born out of wedlock. Kinda weird they banned it because of that, as insults go it's on the lower slopes of Swear-word Mountain.
     
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  3. gompasta

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    Yet the pretty much pornographic mods for Skyrim are fine.
     
  4. TodesRitter

    TodesRitter Moderator

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    Why do you name your ship "Bastard" ?
     
  5. Communist Penguin

    Communist Penguin Apprentice Engineer

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    That is sorta out of order. Sure bastard can be used as an insult, but it's also a description of something really ugly or a really bad combination of two things.
     
  6. Spets

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    Bastard is and old Anime that I watched a long time ago and that came to my mind when I was thinking a name for the ship

    anyways, I was curious, is not a big deal or anything
     
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  7. KissSh0t

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    Call it BassTurd and all is fine.

    It's the name that is doing it.
     
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  8. Wizlawz

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    ye that is the problem isn't it?

    Bastard = fatherless child

    B-i-t-c-h = female dog

    and a few more

    it is not the definition of these words being banned but how the word is used.

    in yer case spets...i see nothing wrong with the name you gave it.

    but their rules are to cover everything in general for everyone
     
  9. Mansen

    Mansen Apprentice Engineer

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    Steam (being American most likely) are very -very oversensitive.

    I've seen usernames censored in forum quotes but their actual usernames displayed just fine - Suffice to say their censoring system goes to 11... or maybe even 12.

    https://blumebauer.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/itgoesto11.jpg
     
  10. GotLag

    GotLag Senior Engineer

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    Yeah they're daft buggers sometimes.
     
  11. Wombats

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    In America certain words are swear words and thus you shall not say them in official things not sure why it was never explained what makes certain words unacceptable

    For example, cunt is not a swear word, yet it is very rude. Damn is a swear word despite being a casual phrase.
     
  12. Wizlawz

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    Damn is not a swear word.

    it is short for "Damned" as in "you will be damned to hell if you do not follow these rules"

    it is an action of sorts i think and not a subject or whatever.
     
  13. Gweepo

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    Damn is a swear word... it depends on what context you use it in... Say you say damn you, thats swearing while "the damned go to hell" isnt.. it depends on the area you live in... America is diverse in that manner...
     
  14. Volfram

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    It's sometimes used as a compliment.
    Oh yes it is, and it'll get you bleeped on television.

    It(and "fanny..." and the verb "to root," both of which are considerably ruder in Britain or Australia than the US) also mean radically different things depending on which English-speaking nation you're in.

    Oh like there aren't any taboo words or phrases where you come from.(I don't swear in American English, but I know I say some things that are considered very rude or downright obscene in British or Australian English.)
     
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  15. Wizlawz

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    ok i will play.

    Damn you = IE: i am damning you to hell

    it is not a swear word.


    but ye usa is bit odd when it comes to words....just pay attention to the definitions in a dictionary or what have you.

    basically we use words that by definition are not swear words,...but yes it is how we use them...in which then we are talking jibberish....and just using slang.....which is not recognized as any language at all.

    wonder what they would do if we all named things using ebonics?
     
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  16. Willemina

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    Granted, but that is soo tied up in context, inflection and relation of the originator to the subject of the statement that we could talk about the nuances of language both spoken and written till the cows come home and...

    Wait, that sounds kinda fun.
     
  17. Volfram

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    That was my point. It's often used as a compliment, but still considered a swear word in that context.

    You make it REALLY hard to remain objective sometimes, you know that?
     
  18. Wombats

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    cunt cunt cunt i want to argue but am too drunk
     
  19. FallingWhale

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    This is a weird post to have Blumenkranz playing in my head to.
     
  20. DDP-158

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    Damn is a gateway swear word to me. I start with Damn, followed by another Damn, then a Damnit. Then the escalation kicks in with a Damn it all to hell. This gets followed up with GOD DAMN YOU MOTHER****ER. Then I release from the gateway word and go all out with **** YOU, YOU ****ING PIECE OF SHIT. Then I kick the object and walk away.
     
  21. Spets

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    ok ok I got it, thanks

    https://youtu.be/eRa8vhNoij8
     
  22. Volfram

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    But an excellent choice of music for any occasion.
     
  23. Willemina

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    Lurv it. I tried cranberry and gin for the first time tonight...surprisingly tasty.

    Wait, this avatar has mind control powers that make people hear awesome music? MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA, THE POWER!

    Well, subjectivity is objective after all.
     
  24. Devon_v

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    Cunt is not a swear word in England, and probably most British English speaking countries. It is considered one of the top tier cuss words in America for whatever reason.

    Bastard is odd however, especially given Skyrim and Mount and Blade and any number of games in which a bastard sword is a perfectly valid item.
     
  25. mastpayne

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    Kinda odd, the differences.

    To say something is 'bastardized' in the States is perfectly acceptable, but to call someone a bastard is frowned upon; yet the title of the movie 'Inglorious Bastards' doesn't raise an eyebrow. Hell, there is a 'bastard file' tool, perfectly okay.

    That 'C' word? Try that one in the States and you'll likely get punched in the kisser. Definitely a word that either sex will get worked up over (if referred to someone's sweetie - from the guy's perspective), and leads to some serious adrenalin.

    Fanny? I understand that is a no-no nearly most everywhere 'cept the States, where most with 'sensitivities' would rather their little kids used it even before 'butt'. Here, it is a cute 'kiddie' word...

    'Bloody Hell' doesn't even make the needle move in the Colonies. Whip that one out in polite society elsewhere to get the "Ahem!" and a sideways glance.

    P's &amp; Q's are fun.
     
  26. Volfram

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    As I said, radically different definition. A good rule of thumb is that if the locals consider it a crass word for lady parts, you probably shouldn't say it around them.(C-word in the US and Canada--I actually saw a Canadian group who otherwise don't limit themselves refuse to use it-- and "Fanny" in Britain and possibly Australia. In the US, it's tamer than "Butt," which I was forbidden from saying when I was younger, but carried around a "fanny pack" when I was 10... which in Britain is an obscene euphemism for sex.)
    Some words have double-meanings even in the same locale. In this case, if you're using it in the "This kid's parents ain't married" definition, it's considered clean(so "Bastard sword" and "Bastard file" are also family-friendly, because the tools in question are somehow hybridized), but if you're just using it as a swear-word, you get a "Teens or older" type rating slapped on your video production, and your video game may be moved up to "M."

    I saw an entire discussion thread devoted to some British people talking about how barbaric it was that Americans use the term "spaz" casually, where it's an affectionate or comedic term for someone who acts in a chaotic manner. I'm not sure what it means in Britain, but they seemed to view it as worse than the N-word here.(which I could say if I had dark skin, but because I'm a ginger I could get beaten to death for it.)
    So that's what it would look like if Plato had been a writer for Star Trek.
     
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  27. paswert

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    Polite society in the UK?

    Also, fanny pack. As a resident of englandland, I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad...

    Also, cunt is a swear, and a really bad one. This word is bad and you should never say it even though it's just a fecking word.
     
  28. NolanSyKinsley

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    This is a steam decision, not KSW, and no it is not an odd one at all. The games you reference are for mature audiences, and they even have age restrictions on their pages. Go check for yourself. They are geared towards an adult audience, and have different rating standards.

    Space Engineers is an all ages game, so needs to be kept clean and family friendly. Debate origins, subjective or regional opinions on the word all you want, it is NOT an all ages word that should be included in a game young children play, and is not including in any games geared as such on steam, end of story, finito, done.

    KSW has no say in this, this is a Valve/Steam decision and the discussion and swearing in this thread do not belong on this forum. As I had said previously, this game and it's forums are geared towards all ages, please conduct yourselves as such and refrain from profanities.

    Simple, name your ship something a mother wouldn't mind her six or seven year old child saying at the dinner table. (And no, don't come saying you wouldn't mind your child saying it, or your parent's didn't mind, we are discussing the wider public here)
     
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  29. Devon_v

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    Yeah, my point was that bastard has more clean meanings than not, and it's pretty minor even otherwise (you can say it on TV in the US) so auto-filtering it is odd.

    Maybe it has to do with SE not already having an ESRB marker for "language"?
     
  30. SenorZorros

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    what... is... fanny?
    never heard of it.

    in the Netherlands people seem to be more relaxed about swearwords. when you consider media it is often seen as "artistic" and "showing true (insert buzzword here)". personally I often believe that we go a bit to far.
    however, on the other side of the spectrum we have some very religious areas around here (although probably nothing like you see in the us, I don't know). where the tv is banned for being a bad influence.

    what I personally find most ridiculous is that in the us it is considered okay to see humans hurt each other in the most cruel ways while showing a perfectly normal part of the human body causes nationwide panic. not to say I think it should be shown on daytime television. but... you guys* really get way to worked up over it :).

    *you guys being the stereotype and therefore non-existent citizen of the vs.
     
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