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Friendly NPC exploit?

Discussion in 'General' started by hippybaker, Dec 4, 2019 at 18:32.

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Is it an exploit?

  1. Yes, it's an exploit. Hang 'em!!

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  2. It's cool, they cool.

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  1. hippybaker Trainee Engineer

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    So I've noticed that the cargo spawns like Commercial Freighters, and Military Minelayer, or Private Sail.. y'all know the ones...

    Anyway, I've learned that if you grind them with a grinding ship, it has no effect on your reputation with that or any faction. Like they don't know who's doing it.

    So, when a friendly Military Escort goes by, you can just zip out there with a grinding ship, and salvage at your leisure...

    Do you guys think that's intentional part of the game? Kinda feels a little exploity to me..?
     
  2. mojomann71 Senior Engineer

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    Not sure if it is an exploit, maybe they were thinking who would grind a ship of someone they are friendly with? :)
     
  3. Spaceman Spiff Senior Engineer

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    Dunno what's up. I tried it, both with and without economy enabled, and they didn't ding me from a reputation standpoint. Perhaps it's just 'cause I'm Spaceman Spiff.
     
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  4. Ronin1973 Master Engineer

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    I think it depends on which blocks that you grind. I noticed a few months ago that some blocks, like thrusters didn't register as affecting reputation when being ground. I'd be curious as to the exact mechanic governing reputation associated with different block types. There's an if-then statement involved... what's IN the if(blah blah blah){} statement?
     
  5. Malware Master Engineer

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    This game is full of exploits... :(
     
  6. Spaceman Spiff Senior Engineer

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    I'm playing a survival scenario right now and I went after two SPRT planetary ships that were passing overhead. Grinding anything on one caused my reputation to fall with the SPRT faction, and grinding anything on the other didn't do a thing. Go figure.
     
  7. Ronin1973 Master Engineer

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    Weird... I know that different NPC factions have different dispositions towards each other. By grinding down one faction's blocks it might lower your reputation with that faction and possibly allied factions. It will also RAISE your reputation with factions aligned against that particular faction. I remember a few months ago grinding down a crashed faction ship and my SPRT reputation going up.

    Maybe there's some sort of circular loop going on where the reputation point changes are being neutralized due to some overlooked relationship between the factions?
     
  8. Spaceman Spiff Senior Engineer

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    Dunno. In one recent survival run (I think it was Splitsie's "Survival...Impossible" scenario, but maybe not) I popped a bunch of spiders and my reputation actually went up with SPRT. Is that cool or what? Spider meat...it's what's for dinner.
     
  9. Ronin1973 Master Engineer

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    Considering the nature of spiders... it would be more like eating cooked oyster snot.
     
  10. Malware Master Engineer

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    These aren't actually spiders though. They're just called that. They're an alien life form, who knows how they're built. For their size they likely have an internal skeleton and is much less goopy than a real spider would be, simply to support their weight.

    I suspect they'd be quite poisonous though, given the totally alien biochemistry...

    Anatomically they've far more in common with ants than spiders, having 3 body segments, 6 legs and a stinger...

    Someone on the Discord made an interesting observation based on an arachnophobic. It's their gate, the way they walk. Apparently that sets off their arachnophobia, making it a spider in their eyes...
     
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  11. Ronin1973 Master Engineer

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    You're really messing up ma' joke. :)
     
  12. Malware Master Engineer

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    That's me, Mr. No Fun Allowed :woot:

    I know you were joking, but I find this topic genuinely interesting. Or topics, plural, really. There's the human psychology (why are they immediately called spiders when they have so little in common with them?) and the idea of alien life (How different from Earth life would they really be? How many paths does evolution really have? We already know convergent evolution is a thing, but everything we know of that has ever evolved has evolved on the same planet...)

    I find it hard to resist...
     
  13. Spaceman Spiff Senior Engineer

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    A real Debbie Downer... :(
     
  14. Malware Master Engineer

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    Nah, that's my mom. My dad's Johnny Rain Cloud.
     
  15. Dante Darkstar Trainee Engineer

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    From my experience, when grinding with hand-held grinder:
    1. If the grid belongs (3) to a specific faction - grinding any block will decrease your reputation (and possibly increase rep with enemies of that faction)
    2. If the grid does not belong (3) to a faction - grinding blocks belonging (4) to a faction will decrease your reputation (and possibly increase rep with enemies of that faction) (5)

    3. From experience the grid "belongs to a faction" if majority of ownable blocks (the ones with computers inside) belong to that faction
    4. Only blocks with computer components can belong to anyone, hence for example thrusters are not owned by anybody, while rotors can be.
    5. Sometimes though even owned blocks don't seem to cost anything in rep once grid is yours. If I remember right, grinding doors doesn't cause rep fall if you own grid already. Weapons always cost rep, even if everything else is yours. Not 100% sure, as I didn't do too much testing on the specifics.

    The conclusion from 3, is that if you first hack easily grindable blocks (ex. LCDs, cargo containers) that are accessible, you can take over the "grid" with less reputation cost, allowing you to grind non-owned blocks for "free", allowing you access to owned blocks buried in armor/hull/whatever without rep cost.

    All experiments done as opportunity to stealing ships from SPRT made non-hostile because of their hate of wolves :)
     
  16. Ronin1973 Master Engineer

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    Panda bears... Koala bears... blackfish... humans tend to categorize things that are new to them under old standards. I don't know how many times a BBC narrator has said "the ___ is not really a ____, but a ____" while watching an animal documentary.
     
  17. Malware Master Engineer

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    @Ronin1973 Of course. But a spider and an ant are both "old standard". And yet the psyche went to the "scarier" one.
     
  18. Stardriver907 Master Engineer

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    I think that was intentional, sorta. The artist made an ant with spider legs. He or she was probably going for spider because of the arachnophobia-inducing spider walk, but stopped at six legs. Probably for performance reasons :D

    We may not be able to eat them, but they don't hesitate to eat us. Perhaps we're poisonous to them.





    Serves 'em right :mad: (eat ME will ya, ya two leg missin oversized mislabeled sorry excuse for a spider! Take THAT!)
     
  19. Spaceman Spiff Senior Engineer

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    If you install the hunger-and-thirst mod, the spiders carry meat and eggs for your consumption. Personally, I find their brains the juiciest. Brains!
     
  20. Stardriver907 Master Engineer

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    And if you do it right, they'll spin up a napkin for ya.