Halloween Update 1.184.6 - Skin Crafting & Ghost Skin

yes, thank you... now my Dedicated Server crashes after someone joins..
Urgent fix needed!

 

Let's not be confused here: prior to this update, blast door blocks (but not large ship heavy armor) were immune to small grid thrusters. This was set up based on a "deformation ratio" value in the code, so when a value got changed at some point (in a previous update), heavy armor landing pads started taking damage.
Relevant bug report:
https://forums.keenswh.com/threads/...ing-large-grid-armor.7394726/#post-1287053364

EDIT: In the past, heavy armor landing pads were safe for small ships AND were used in many KSH-designed ships/stations.

 

It was running fine with 6 people before the update,

Now it crashes when even 1 player joined

 

Recycling skins - Nice way to make people going for the crates. I personally quit going for them because I kept getting the same ones and didn't want to clutter my list. Plus, I don't care for skin, but I am all for helping the Devs. Great game, no pay4win, optional voluntary way to help for the game development. That's the way it should be.

 

for some reason i cant find the right crash log... can you tell me where the location is?

 

ah, ok..
the directory has been changed, but ok.
the "AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers" is there, but not that intresting stuff, because the server does not play the game.
the "SpaceEngineersDedicated" log is not realy a crash log, i tought that was needed.

 

When starting a save game, for first time since last update, I got a debug window and related text full for warnings about mod issues. Never seen this feature before.
I thought it may be of interest to someone, so here it is copied + pasted:

Code:

MOD_CRITICAL_ERROR: dcMetallbau, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\733410371.sbm\Data\CubeBlocks.sbc
MOD PARTIALLY SKIPPED, LOADED ONLY 4/6 PHASES, Following Error occured:
The given key was not present in the dictionary.
mscorlib
  at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowKeyNotFoundException()
  at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2.get_Item(TKey key)
  at Sandbox.Definitions.MyDefinitionManager.GetComponentDefinition(MyDefinitionId id)
  at Sandbox.Definitions.MyCubeBlockDefinition.Init(MyObjectBuilder_DefinitionBase builder)
  at Sandbox.Definitions.MyDefinitionManager.InitDefinition[T](MyModContext context, MyObjectBuilder_DefinitionBase builder)
  at Sandbox.Definitions.MyDefinitionManager.ToDefinitions(MyModContext context, DefinitionDictionary`1 outputDefinitions, DefinitionDictionary`1[] outputCubeBlocks, MyObjectBuilder_CubeBlockDefinition[] cubeBlocks, Boolean failOnDebug)
  at Sandbox.Definitions.MyDefinitionManager.LoadPhase3(MyObjectBuilder_Definitions objBuilder, MyModContext context, DefinitionSet definitionSet, Boolean failOnDebug)
  at Sandbox.Definitions.MyDefinitionManager.LoadDefinitions(MyModContext context, DefinitionSet definitionSet, Boolean failOnDebug, Boolean isPreload)
MOD_ERROR: (DX11)Hydroponic, in file:
C:\Users\Name\AppData\Local\Temp\SpaceEngineers\295394554.sbm_SpinningFans\SpinningFans.cs(126,23): Error: The type or namespace name 'IMyAirVent' does not exist in the namespace 'Sandbox.ModAPI.Ingame' (are you missing an assembly reference?)
MOD_ERROR: (DX11)Surveillance Camera, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\402364310.sbm\Data\AmmoMagazines.sbc
Resource not found, setting to null. Resource path: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\402364310.sbm\Textures\darth_biomech\GUI\Minotaur_ammo.dds
MOD_ERROR: Aidylheid & VisSE [DX11] Shale Oil Resource & Diesel Power, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\509327181.sbm\Data\Audio_dieselengineloop.sbc
3D sound 'dieselengineloop', 'C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\509327181.sbm\Audio\DieselEngine.xwm' must be in mono, got 2 channels
MOD_ERROR: }DT{ Modpack, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\406279900.sbm\Data\Characters.sbc
Invalid character Id found in mod !
MOD_ERROR: }DT{ Modpack, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\406279900.sbm\Data\Characters.sbc
Resource not found, setting to error model. Resource path: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\406279900.sbm\Models\Characters\Astronaut\SE_astronaut_no_helmet.mwm
MOD_ERROR: }DT{ Modpack, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\406279900.sbm\Data\Characters.sbc
Invalid character Id found in mod !
MOD_ERROR: (DX11)Hydroponic, in file:
Compilation of C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\295394554.sbm_SpinningFans failed:
MOD_ERROR: }DT{ Modpack, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\406279900.sbm\Data\Characters.sbc
Resource not found, setting to error model. Resource path: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\406279900.sbm\Models\Characters\Astronaut\SE_astronaut_no_helmet.mwm
MOD_ERROR: }DT{ Modpack, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\406279900.sbm\Data\Characters.sbc
Invalid character Id found in mod !
MOD_ERROR: Hyirez, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\1168095392.sbm\Data\VoxelMaterials.sbc
Resource not found, setting to null. Resource path: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\1168095392.sbm\Textures\Voxels\Ice_02_ForAxisXZ_de.dds
MOD_ERROR: (DX11)Hydroponic, in file:
C:\Users\Name\AppData\Local\Temp\SpaceEngineers\295394554.sbm_SpinningFans\SpinningFans.cs(128,35): Error: The type or namespace name 'IMyAirVent' does not exist in the namespace 'Sandbox.ModAPI.Ingame' (are you missing an assembly reference?)
MOD_ERROR: }DT{ Modpack, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\406279900.sbm\Data\Characters.sbc
Invalid character Id found in mod !
MOD_ERROR: Hyirez, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\1168095392.sbm\Data\VoxelMaterials.sbc
Resource not found, setting to null. Resource path: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\1168095392.sbm\Textures\Voxels\Ice_02_ForAxisXZ_ns.dds
MOD_ERROR: ExtendedConveyors /w DX11 PBR [WIP], in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\336704528.sbm\Data\CubeBlocks.sbc
Resource not found, setting to error model. Resource path: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\336704528.sbm\Models\Cubes\Small\ConveyorTubeCrossMedium.mwm
mod_warning: Energy Weapons (stable/dev), in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_InteriorTurret is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: PT-SI12, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\486292866.sbm\Data\VoxelMapStorages.sbc
File extension of: VoxelMaps\dcpt120.vx2 is not supported.
mod_warning: Energy Weapons (stable/dev), in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_AutomaticRifle is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: HoverRail, in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_TerminalBlock is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: Attachments - large to small grid without limits!, in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_MotorAdvancedStator is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: (DX11) Digital Clock, in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_AdvancedDoor is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: Energy Weapons (stable/dev), in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_InteriorTurret is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: HoverRail, in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_TerminalBlock is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: HoverRail, in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_TerminalBlock is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: [Mexpex]  X-3 Heavy Main Battery, in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_LargeMissileTurret is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: Maglev Rail, in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_LandingGear is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: Maglev Rail, in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_LandingGear is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: Aidylheid & VisSE [DX11] Shale Oil Resource & Diesel Power, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\509327181.sbm\Data\LPGCubeBlocks.sbc
Obsolete default definition of mount points in MyObjectBuilder_OxygenTank/LargeLPGTankSmall
mod_warning: Attachments - large to small grid without limits!, in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_MotorAdvancedRotor is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: Ice and Stone Asteroid, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\524186849.sbm\Data\VoxelMapStorages.sbc
File extension of: VoxelMaps\IceStone5.vx2 is not supported.
mod_warning: HoverRail, in file:
**WARNING!**
Script for MyObjectBuilder_TerminalBlock is using the obsolete MyEntityComponentDescriptor overload!
You must use the 3 parameter overload to properly register script updates!
This script will most likely not work as intended!
**WARNING!**
mod_warning: Aidylheid & VisSE [DX11] Shale Oil Resource & Diesel Power, in file: C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\SpaceEngineers\Mods\509327181.sbm\Data\LPGCubeBlocks.sbc
Obsolete default definition of mount points in MyObjectBuilder_OxygenTank/SmallLPGSmall
mod_notice: Maglev Rail, in file:
Possible entity type script logic collision
mod_notice: Ravcor (Now with Lava Damage), in file:
Possible entity type script logic collision

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Worst for me is dcmetallbau failed to load its blocks (first error in the list).

 

wont work,
even restarted the whole pc, still not working.

(e-mail has been send)

Edit:

its running now..

Deleted the dedicated64 folder and revalidated with steam.
and deleted "sandbox_0_0_0.sbsPB" before starting the server.

 

works fine for now, thanks for the help although i managed to fix it my own

 

<redacted>

 

Same trouble... when any player join in DS, crash the server... deleting Sandbox_0_0_0.sbcPB work fine to fix it.

 

This is why I don't understand people complaining about things not being realistic.

The game is supposedly set in the future, we don't have to worry about any of the real-world spaceship worries like rocket staging or interstellar distances or slingshotting around orbits or any of that really complicated stuff that KSP handles.

Sure there's mods for stuff like ships burning up and making thrusters apply rotation, but beyond that it's pretty unrealistic.

It's a sandbox game with very little realism beyond the graphics, so why worry about realism?

(Spoiler: the astronaut is an oxygen-powered android that doesn't need to eat or poop.)

Possibly, possibly not.
Gravity drives have a rectangular collision area (for the zone the gravity affects) which is fairly cheap to compute.
Theoretically if forces are only recalculated when they're changed it could be much cheaper, especially since they have no damage calculation to apply.
The game probably isn't optimised for grav-drives though.

 

I think what happening to the current community is two fold.

We have people who are upset with the direction of more realism.
and
People want a more realistic direction for the game.

I kind of always saw this game as a survival open world game, more than a sandbox. Personally, I would like more realism because it creates an Engineering challenge. But, I'm also of the belief that more blocks will be in the game soon. The way I see it is that not all thrusters are the same, different thrusters will have different damage boxes.

Until half way through this year, Center of Gravity had no purpose in the game, but it has been a check box in the Info tab for OVER two years. I have had to rebalance some of my ships. But, it didn't bother me too much.


I think the Developers WANT this game to be more realistic/challenging.

 

The 'more real' argument goes out the window when you take into account that this update also made it so thrusters damage ALL blocks in range. Meaning, if you have a block, like a programmable block, behind a blast door block, the thruster will destroy the programmable block even though it's covered with the blast door. This change was purely for a minor improvement to performance, which has turned out to be not worth the hassle it's created for players.

 

@Timuroslav
I agree that there's a divide.

Some want realism, some want scifi.
Some want 'challenging survival', some want 'space exploration'.

I don't share your view of what the game is/should be though.
Making the engineering challenge more difficult usually means more restricted ships and thus less impressive ships.
I think making ship building more challenging from a survival point of view would mean making certain resources harder to come by,
thus forcing ships to use the least number of components and forcing the player to recycle old ships to make better ones.

I'd like more blocks in game, but I have doubts about them being added.

I'd rather survival mode focused on reasons to get our existing ships out into space,
as it stands I have no reason to leave my base once it's built because beyond skins there's no reason to head out into space.
There isn't even any point sitting at my base in survival to design a ship because it's quicker to prototype in creative and then use the projector to build in survival.

 

Honestly though if it is a performance issue then wouldn't the best route be to consider technology advanced enough that things are thermally protected and immune to thruster damage, and just do away with the calculation all together?

 

Some of you guys are being far too rational and logical, asking all the right questions.

Stop that, stop that right now.

That's the issue with sandbox games based around a potato for a game/physics engine- you have to make your own adventure and create your own reasons for doing... anything. Player crafted scenarios are a good place to start, but it takes a fair bit of knowledge to essentially design your own mini-game within the game of SE, that's way beyond most of us it seems.

I just treat Creative mode like a giant box of infinite Lego to play with- I build ships and contraptions mainly to amuse other people, gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing people liked something I made. Also, it massages my my massive ego- which is nice too

 

I really wish they would expand the visual effect to match. Right now there's a tiny flame on a large hydrogen thruster.

However, I think it's important to note that many blocks are made of the same materials as the thrusters themselves. They shouldn't be taking much damage unless obstructing the flow.

 

The plume is indeed larger, but I'd question how hot it is at the edges compared to the centre, also, what Bumber said- blocks that don't even come close to obstructing the exhaust are still being damaged ( corner blocks essentially ).

 

Think that's bad, try a having a catwalk section next to a thruster, not blocking it just next to it. it get roasted!

 

As someone who has programmed gravity drives, interacting gravity fields take a steaming shit on simspeed faster than most things I've encountered

That isn't the issue, the issue is the way in which they implemented this change. It is horrid as it stands :/

So much this. I definitely think that heavy armor shouldn't melt under the thruster flame. Otherwise, landing pads made of heavy armor are completely useless.

 

I would like it if the default trash removal settings could be lowered to not delete things like unpowered ships that I am constructing.

This only became a problem when the settings were changed to delete those skin loot pods. Excluding bug testing, I haven't played a real game for fun of SE since I ragequit my last game because my cargo container that I built was unexpectedly deleted. This is too important a thing (especially for new players) to hide behind the alt-F10 panel (does that even persist through saves?).

A better solution would be to program the pods to vanish after a time using the same working system already in place for cargo ship spawns.

Trash removal should NOT be automatically on. Let people or servers enable it if they want.

 

Or what if we had 'blocks' which represent special coatings which render adjacent blocks (but still not blocks in line behind the exhaust - no 'concealed' thruster nonsense) immune to thruster flames?
Think of something like the ceramic tiles plastered on space shuttle's underside for reentry into atmosphere - this technically advanced into another 70 years' distant future. Call it nano-titanium-ceramic or whatever.
For obstructing excessive use of that coating (like an armor all around ships) make it expensive like hell in ressources. Or reduce it to a sort of block which can only get situated next to existing thruster blocks.
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[Hey, I could make an entry in the feedback forum for that, but what's the use, as everyone keeps staring on ladders...]

 

I think servers and single player games need different default settings. Too many people set up servers very poorly through lack of good detailed information and perhaps lack of experience with game server hosting, not helped in many cases by unhelpful commercial hosting operations using badly designed user interfaces and management systems.