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Possible new opportunity's for Space Engineers

Discussion in 'General' started by spartan-118, Nov 3, 2015.

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  1. spartan-118

    spartan-118 Trainee Engineer

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    I have been a Microsoft inside developer since the end of windows 8 and the very beginning of windows 10. One of Microsoft's upcoming projects spiked my interest lately, one of which I also have the possibility of helping with the development of. I'm not sure if you have heard of it or not but it is Hololens. Virtual reality combined with actual reality. they have done a Minecraft demonstration here:

    Now think if you did a similar application using Hololens with Space Engineers! The developing begins in January. I will try to get my hands on one so I can be able to do this, but with the help of the company I think that this can be a huge front for Space engineers. Think of the possibility's! If you could please run this up the chain to whoever needs to see this that would be great.

    -A devoted Engineer

    Josh Jenkins.
     
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  2. DrVagax

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    I don't see this work really well wel SE besides it being a bit of a gimmick. VR like Vive or Oculus on the other hand is more interesting since these devices have nearly proven themselves before launch receiving massive praise.

    Besides, the development kit costs $3000 compared to the $400~ Oculus dev kit
     
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  3. spartan-118

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    But Oculus is "virtual" reality. Hololens combines both virtual and actual reality with better ability to create. You don't have to use a keyboard or controller, you can use your hands and voice. Its a more immersive experience for the player.
     
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  4. Repo Mann

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    Good idea! but, well, it will turn SE into SS(space strategics).
     
  5. Stardriver907

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    Isn't Steam working on their own VR thing?
     
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  6. Stardriver907

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    Might be a gimmick, but the whole VR thing is a gimmick. Truth is it might be fun to see that base you built in your living room, or a handy 3D map of all the asteroids you're mining, or the ship you're building parked next to your monitor, or your ship's cockpit reproduced around your chair.

    Possibilities, indeed!
     
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  7. Commander Rotal

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    I am anxiously awaiting my own personal private virtual Enterprise-D home theater where i can watch the Jurassic World Blu Ray on the main viewer.
     
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  8. Einharjar

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    I can see this being very useful in Creative mode or Macro Management of your game if A.I. Bots are allowed to be used. It certainly more Macro Level intuitive because the interface is some what differed to being 3rd person no matter what and the user interface benefits larger gestures and and macro-commands a lot more.
    The Hololens could be amazing for RTS and 4X titles honestly, that was the first thing I thought of when they announced it.

    This has a lot more potential professionally than anything else. All models can now be digitally scaled and presentations can go where ever, doesn't have to be in the conference room anymore. Just provide everyone a Hololens for the meeting or board review and tada! You're now reviewing a 3D Cad Model of the next Attack Drone or some new Cruise Ship, and the project manager can spin it around, point out features and other members like specialized engineers or quality management can highlight areas or even make real time geometric adjustments, graph values or what ever.
     
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  9. PsicoPato

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    Really like the idea, but i can only see it coming in a not so close future. If it will even come some day..
     
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  10. spartan-118

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    yes but Oculus is not the same.
     
  11. spartan-118

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    also building ships in first person? in my living room? yes!
     
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  12. Stardriver907

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    Supposed to be out by Christmas (Hololens, that is).
     
  13. spartan-118

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    Another idea is that this could be a slower side development until Hololens drops slightly in price. that way its ready when the public is, and keen software is on the cutting edge.
     
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    Interesting. Must have moved up the prototype stage.
     
  15. Scorpion00021

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    The problem here is that the hololens creates an image on top of a transparent background to add a digital layer to the real world. Its difficult to translate the infinite vastness of space into the confines of your living room from a playability perspective. The Occulus Rift, on the other hand, replaces your entire environment with data that you can interact with from the safety of your chair. Dont get me wrong, the hololens is cool, but if you want to check out a model in your living room, use the export tool to generate a 3d model (obj I think) and import it using whatever software the hololens has. If you want to get fancy, I'm sure the hololens will have a sweet api.
     
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  16. transistor77777

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    It would be pretty cool, but having it be able to interact with the game in reatlime would require way too much modification to the engine to be worthwhile. In my opinion the best way to do this would be to write a third party application that can generate a 3d model from a blueprint file and display a static projection of your ship with the hololens.
     
  17. Commander Rotal

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    i just wish we wouldn't have to wait a decade until those things become... you know... cheap. And easy to use for stuff like DvDs or Youtube and not needing special programs later on. I SO want to have an Oculus but i can't justify any price above 150 euro tops for something that's, technically, a glorified monitor. Especially not when i have one and a half working ones.
     
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  18. Barfbag

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    I could really see this being useful when designing ships and stations in creative mode. Would not be useful in survival mode though.
     
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    The first time you try to use the handheld welder with the vr headset

     
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  20. Cruzz999

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    Have you tried the Oculus?
    Technically it's 'just a monitor' but even in its most basic usage, it's blowing up your screen to cinema size. There's even an app that does just that, places you in a cinema chair (don't worry, you can change seat if you like) in front of a cinema screen with a 'normal desktop' on it.
    Using it to its full potential though, is absolutely insane. I spent a week in Elite Dangerous with the DK2. The level of immersion is pretty much impossible to describe, but let's just say the feeling of swooping in underneath an enemy ship, guns blazing, and then turning around in your chair to see where he is behind you, only to perform an immelman turn to face him while constantly keeping your eyes on him is absofuckinglutely amazing.

    I will definitely buy an oculus as soon as it's released, combined with another gfx card, and a new motherboard, to be able to run it. If you have the possibility to try it, or even get it yourself, I cannot recomend it enough.
     
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  21. Commander Rotal

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    Unfortunately not :( To be blunt i'd be surprised if there's a single Oculus in all of Austria.

    I know, that's honestly what i'm most pumped about. I have a feeling gaming isn't going to really get the most of it until we actually get full body controllers or brain wave input (unless it's for stuff where the character sits in a chair, like racing sims... MAN i wanna play GTA 5's ego driving mode with a Rift, that game's eating up ALL of my SE-time. All of it.). But home cinema... Damn.

    The level of jellyness cannot be contained.

    Last thing i heard was Oculus Retail won't be below 400 bucks; while i'm not sure if that's still accurate i probably wouldn't buy it even with half that price. As awesome as it is it's just too much money for me.
     
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  22. DrVagax

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    You do know that the Oculus was a pretty impressive feat right? Putting a phone infront of your face does not give you "VR", the device has a decently advanced layout to get the best VR experience taking away screening and lag. Most people are actually fine around the 300-400 euro tag.

    But as of now its a gimmick, it stops being a gimmick once most of the public accepts it, i for one truly hope VR breaks through but only as a extra and not as a replacement. HoloLens however seems a bit dead for me because of its incredibly steep price.
    I currently got a HTC Vive (renting it for 2 weeks) which includes the Lighthouse technology and oh man i wish that every gamer out there had a full set up like this. I played hours walking around my room building rollercoasters.



    This is what i have been playing.
     
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  23. Commander Rotal

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    Aye. Doesn't make 400 bucks pocket change.

    If those wanna chip in i wouldn't mind.
     
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  24. Cruzz999

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    I'd be surprised if there weren't ~any~ Oculuses (Oculi?) in Austria.. I got lucky, I just walked into a local high school where they occasionally work with it and asked if I could borrow it for a weekend, they were just happy someone was interested by their tech, and let me have it for a week.

    To milden the jealousy a tad, some downsides: The DK2 gave me grid eyes. At its worst, for two days after last use. See, the resolution is way too low. The distance between the pixels form a grid over everything you see. Your brain is usually able to compensate for that, but it's a bit worse at turning that correction off. So it's not perfect yet, which is why I don't own a DK2 myself. This is why the cinema mode isn't really the best, it's basically like watching SD with sharpened pixels, blown up to a huge size.

    Still, it's by far the best gaming experience I've ever had. The release version has been announced to have a much higher pixel density though, so I'm hopeful.

    Also, sorry to OP for the offtopic. I can't really see hololens being as amazing for space games as the Oculus though.
     
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  25. Commander Rotal

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    I want an official Jurassic Park (well... Jurassic World is probably more realistic these days) VR park with ALL the tours :( i want the tour from the original park! I want to visit the aviary! I want that water slide with dinos! I want dozens of jeep tours! I even want the damn hamster ball from Jurassic World. HOW has that franchise not produced a Jurassic Park Snap yet!? (yes, i know about the non-Jurassic tech demo, and yes, i know about the Jurassic World longneck demo. I want this in BIG.)
     
  26. aRottenKomquat

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    I'm not even sure how the HoloLens applies to Minecraft to be honest, much less Space Engineers. I guess it's cool if you want to have a "sculpture" of your creations on display for any HoloLens users, but it doesn't seem like much of a game that way. It would be a great way to browse through Workshop creations though.
     
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  27. chrisb

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    I like the idea that in creative you could build your ships etc. In a virtual reality world, right there in front of you. I think it would be great, yeah, go on then, count me in.

    Chances of it happening are, well, unlikely. :(
     
  28. Klaern

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    Mmm, Halolens + fleet control would be pretty amazing actually... It'd be like Ender Wiggins controlling the fleet via the ansible. Mmm yup, someone make that happen please.
     
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  29. spartan-118

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    not always the case.
    as seen in the minecraft demo you can see an "infinite" universe. same could be done with Space engineers.

    Not all holograms are transparent. If you watch the full video there are other noticeable spots, for example the Skype video call and other spots.
     
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    Could you elaborate please?
     
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