[Thruster Components] add Thruster components to atmospheric thrusters

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so we can tear them down and make "space thruster" if need be (like i tried to do on a MP server where even if you grind out the gyro you can't give it a "push")..... in / on that planetary lander too far from any planet.

i couldn't "Engineer" anything to make it work,.... unless someone has any alternative / idea to get it to move "in space" towards a planet, or to move at all.

 

This won't work because Pt doesn't spawn on planets.

Therefore any start mode that doesn't give you a huge starter base would be impossible in short order.

 

While I think it would be great to be able to repurpouse the landers thrusters into ion ones I don't think it's a good idea.

The material balance of the different thrusters are good at the moment.

You go to space or moon with hydrogen to find platinum to start buildin space ships. It a good progression curve right now. Putting platinum need on atmo-thrusters is a bad idea since it can't be found on earth.

 

i play this one MP server where idk who moved the planets but the PL is of no use and there is no way of engineering it to get to a planet

and trying to land a ship with a space thruster (respawn ships with no hydrogen thrusters) is near impossible, drop like a rock.

so this is why i mention thread title, we are Engineers after all.....if we have the right equipment / resource

 

You're doing it all wrong...

 

Well, if things were changed so you no longer spawn near planets, maybe you should try to respawn in a space ship instead. Forget about the lander. You would have no logical reason (short of ones that involve you having a really bad day) to have an atmospheric lander deep in space as your only ship. The only way you should have got there is by using a proper space ship.

I don't think asking for one game mechanics to change fixes unrelated problems that might affect only your server (in this case, you are asking for space flight instead of moving planets back).

Edit: deleted an annoyed rant.

 

How about maybe mine some cobalt and nickle and pack up the whole school bus in a hybrid smallship lander, or just add one big atmo to the lander, THEN attempt to land it? Should take a few hours tops.

 

Atmos don't work in space

yeah maybe i could get in the mining ship and fabricate a proper ship for space and atmosphere....... if they have a mining ship,.... i know one that does

i will give that shot if it has refinery and asssembler

you are right game mechanic shouldn't change for a server alone, but i still think they should be a component in atmospheric thruster

plz enlighten

 

hybrid thrusters ships are the most inefficient type (mass, thrust, energy), it is better to build an hydrogen lifter and carry things on it to land and take-off, and the very first space ship should be build whit hydrogen thrust. I eard so much about "dead weight" in these days, well then there is another reason to not ovebuild useless metal shapes only to look pleasing

 

No.

There's no reason to add thruster components to atmo trusters besides your server situation, which btw, i don't really understand. Unless i'm missing something, the only thing that can stop you to enter a planet is that you don't want to do a ship for that... do you ask this because you don't want to do other ship to enter planets or what?

 

Keen have done this so you have to build it into your ship designs otherwise you could land with Ion thrusters alone besides which Atmo thrusters are actually Turbofans like on the new F35 strike fighter and so don't need thruster components and have upped the motors needed to compensate for it?

 

Having not played multi-player for a long time, I don't know how people are setting things up in M.P. worlds with planets currently or what the range of options are relating to spawn points, but I would assume that if you're being issued with the planetary lander at the start and begin in space, then either there's a bug with the servers spawn placement or they've set-up a special 'challenge' for new players.

While I haven't had the joy of grinding down and disassembling the entire P.L., surely there's enough spare resource there to build a single small ship grid with an ion thruster or two on it? Could you push the P.L. into the nearest planet's gravity field with it?

Could you reach any planet or moon using the jet-pack, before running out of oxygen? Maybe the admins have setup some kind of planet bound starter base somewhere and want you to ditch the PL?

If there really is no planet in range, then it might be worth asking the admins/other players, using the in-game chat, to be sure that you're not just unlucky and been given a weird spawn point.

I quite like the differentiation between the ion and hydrogen thrusters personally, so would prefer to keep thruster components out of the hydrogen versions.

 

Not a single drop of platinum on the whole thing! But again, this is over a single server's asinine modifications. The thruster components are obviously ion specific, and should instead be called ion field generators or something akin to that. Perhaps magnetic coils, since those are used in ion thrusters.

 

Yep, just realised. Could have sworn there was platinum buried in there somewhere, as I seem to remember having a small amount at some point, prior to getting into space, but it's only contained within missiles and ion thrusters isn't it, so I must have imagined it.

While it's probably just a flawed server start; it could be quite a fun survival start.

 

The thruster components represent the equipment necessary for ion propulsion. Atmospheric "thrusters" are actually turbojets or turbofans, the same as we have on jet aircraft today. It's just a combination of motors and physics, the atmosphere does the rest.

 

Just add a hydrogen tank and a hydrogen thruster. That'll get you moving

 

As stated above, thruster components require platinum, so it would make it impossible to get resources to build flying ships planet side (without importing resources). Not only that, but if we implemented the changes you wanted, then a planetary could be recycled to build ion thrusters and skip hydrogen thrusters. While I'm not big on hydrogen thrusters, some people on these forums make a big deal about. If we removed platinum as a resource requirement, then platinum would become close to nearly a useless resource (so few things use it).

Anyways, if you intend to refit, then you should know that a planetary lander has all the resources needed to be refit to run hydrogen thrusters. The lander comes with an oxygen generator and some ice. If you move the oxygen generator to the outside (to avoid heavy mods to your ship), you could then attach a hydrogen thruster to it to fly. A single small hydrogen thruster should be comfortably possible by recycling your ship. Maybe partially grind down some of the heavy armor blocks outside the door and recycle those components as needed. While you could scrap some of the atmospheric thrusters, you're going to need them once you do get planet side. *DO NOT* scrap the large atmospheric thrusters as you'll need them both to keep you in the air once you do get to a planet.

I don't think the name is the issue. I think he wants to be able to scrap atmospheric thrusters and use the materials to build ion thruster. I don't think he has been doing a good job of explaining his points.

 

Problem solved.

The PL has an oxygen generator and ice. Should be simple to push yourself to a planet.

 

thought i did explain my points... a little, although i did not think about a hydrogen thruster, does the PL have the needed resources to do this?... thx for the info , i shall give it a try.




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no the PL is too far away from the planet to go to the planet {this has nothing to do with what is above this EDIT..... yet

 

Its space - it can't be too far. Accelerate as much as you can, turn the thruster off and drift. Might take ages though...

In truth the problem is here is a badly thought out server mod that breaks the game. You need to contact the server admin or play on a different server that actually works.

 

Honestly i don't think any of them be described as "working" atm ... at least not well >_>

 

Construct a simple small ship (with a cargo container that contains components for a refinery, assembler battery and solar panel) to get into space.

 

Uh, Wiz... if Atmospheric thrusters would require platinum, you wouldn't be able to build any while in a planet (not a moon). Like it was mentioned by people here, that ore doesn't spawn on them. So, you'd be stuck in a planet, without even being able to build aircraft to explore and prospect for needed resources. D:

So, you'll be stuck with hyrdrogen thrusters to get off said planets and head over to a moon or a nearby asteroid field and mine Pt for your Ion thrusters.

 

yeah i got some things figured out from this thread to get the PL into planet atmosphere

i can for sure grind some things down to make a hydrogen system to get me to a planet

thx for all the replies